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we are live at the cnn newsroom, i'm pamela brown in for ana cabrera. good have you with us on this sunday evening. president trump is publicly speaking out about the investigation into russia's election meddling in a brand new interview, president trump says, no one has asked him to sit down with special counsel robert mueller and this comes as mueller hopes to wrap up the interviews with the white house officials by the end of this month. cnn's boras san schez live right outside the white house so boras what else is the president saying about. >> reporter: he actually goes on to say there is consensus between the different investigations but there was no collusion in an interview with fox news that is yet to air. we only have the written portion of it. he said, quote, there is no collusion i can tell you that, everybody has seen that. you know, you have senate
meetings, senate hearings, and nobody has asked us to do interviews anywhere. they have found no collusion, in fact, the other side even admits it, they come out of these hearings whether it's senate or whether it's the house and they say, is there collusion? everyone looks like there is no collusion. now, as you mentioned, several white house officials we've learned through sources have already met with robert mueller's team including reince priebus and sean spicer, though there are still white house officials current white house officials that have yet to meet with his team or at least that we've been able to confirm and met with him team including communications director hope hicks and chief counsel for the white house don mcguinn. at last we heard from one source, robert mueller was set to finish this wave of interviews with this first group of interviews with white house officials by the end of this month. the focus from what we've heard from sources continues to be the circumstances between the
dismissal of michael flynn and the firing of james comey, pamela. >> all right, boras, and also there are these reports that president trump may pay for some of his staff's legal fees. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: well, there's been some reporting through multiple different outlooks that the president has decided to spend up to $430,000 to help pay the legal costs of some of his white house aids and some of his campaign team after the rnc spent about that a. money on legal fees, partly to help his son, donald trump jr. to cover his legal expenses after it was revealed he met with some russian officials in trump tower in last year. there's still no clarity though on how exactly that money is going to be dispersed. there is some reporting that there are some exclusions there pertaining to certain figures within not only the trump campaign, but also at the trump white house. cnn has reached out to the white
house for comment, we are now getting this information confirmed, pamela. >> boras sanchez, thanks for breaking it down for us from the white house. and i want to bring in our panel, washington post political reporter phillip and political analyst culture editor gentlemen great to have you on. the trump white house has been so slow to put new sanctions on russia. listen to what he said. >> i think the trump administration is slow when it comes to russia. they have a blind spot on russia i still can't figure out, but i can tell you what happened in '16 -- >> can you? at what point is that skrefd to you, sir? >> all i can say is wherever the russia investigation takes us, it'll take us. >> so, blind spot for russia. that doesn't sound like someone who's convinced there is not collusion here, phil.
>> yeah, i think it's the ongoing question. the question loomed is why does donald trump have the relationship with russia that he has. after the election, the team gelled into this area of can't be aided by russia. it's fornt remember that donald trump has said from the beginning, there's no proof of collusion, there's no proof of collusion. the equivalent of a police officer arriving on a crime scene and instantly stains youly, there's no evidence yet. they've been looking for evidence all morning long. there was nothing even before the donald trump jr. meeting emerged with the russian lawyer. i think it's certainly worth taking trump's words with a grain of salt there. what lindsey graham said there was not that oh, you're totally exonerated. trump suggested you ask anyone, there's no collusion, that's -- >> there has been some circumstantial evidence in terms of trump tower meetings and other things, what is your take? >> i think what lindsey graham is saying is that president trump shouldn't get ahead of the investigation. that things are -- that meetings, that hearings are still going on that the special
counsel robert mueller is still doing his own investigation. still interviewing people, as we know, special counsel, special prosecutors over time usually the principal, the president is often one of the last people to be interviewed. you know, that certainly happened with president clinton when he was under investigation with kenneth star in the '90s. so -- but this is, this is president trump, i mean, as phil said, he's very invested in the sense that he has been exonerated. that he's no longer either a center of investigation that he's no longer under any kind of suspicion and yeah, this is very important to him in terms of his -- in terms of his rhetoric to basically be able to say, i'm entire lie cleared and look i haven't been interviewed. an interview may happen months from now. >> in the clinton investigation, there was hillary clinton, you know, private e-mail server, she was interviewed at the end. it was clear that, you know, this agitates him, this russia
investigation agitates him. talking to people close to the president. he feels like it casts a shadow with foreign leaders they bring it up to him. it's something he clearly wants to just go away. >> facing this sort of investigation is to say i want them to do the work, get it wrapped up and say nothing else about it. donald trump can't stop talking about it. donald trump -- this is what he does. >> he hasn't gone after robert mueller. he did earlier in the summer, if you'll notice, he hasn't gone after him in the way that he goes after others who he feels threatened by or he doesn't like. >> but there have been stories. you know, over the months he has thought about what are my options here? you know, if i was to like replace, you know, or even to fire special counsel -- >> and now saying he's not going to fire robert mueller. >> no, he's always said that in public, but behind the scenes, in terms of the reporting that's going on, it's clear he's
furious as we know for months with jeff sessions, the attorney general are taking himself out of this. and this is kind of the wound that he can't really get over. right? >> public posture, look, on twitter, today it's congress, but robert mueller. >> this is the one guy -- >> well, he's been told no not do this. he's heeding his lawyer's advice on this. phillip, others are reporting, washington post reporting that the president has pledged to give $430,000 to cover the legal fees for staffers. high bills from lawyers as part of the russia probe. just for context, present a conflict of interest. >> the appearance is that the president of the united states is saying to people who are going to be interviewed about
his conduct. i'm going to pay your legal bills. i'm going to sort of cover you. that is a very, you know -- that's an appearance that i think a lot of past presidents would not want to convey. i'm even surprised the white house general counsel would maybe feel comfortable with that. i haven't done reporting. >> what do you think? >> it is urn usual, but this is an expensive thing, right? i mean, this is -- it's an unusual thing to have this sort of investigation so early in a presidency, it's very expensive, there's a lot of people wrapped up in this thing to have to suddenly find lawyers because they have to work for the trump campaign. that's right. probably better to do this than have donald trump pay out of the pocket. hey, i paid your lawyer. we want these people to have good representation that's how our system works. it's expensive to do. >> let's look ahead to the week. the president is expected to meet face to face for lunch on capitol hill with some of the republicans that he has publicly sparred with, bob corker to name
one, jeff flake, what are you looking for during this lunch? >> yeah, i mean, how much the president can stay disciplined on tax reform because that is the ball that seems like could go double the field for him if he gets distracted on health care, if he gets, you know, pulled back in on defending himself on puerto rico and getting in the ground work. also, his own conduct over the las week, you know, around the gold star family and deaths in niger, to what extent he's pulled into that. clearly i think the white house wants him to stay focussed on tax reform because they think they have an opening there with the senate budget document that was passed last week to make headway. but, he has a tendency, as we know, to sometimes get in his own way with the rhetoric. >> sort of stir the pot a little bit. >> and it's interesting he said, phil, to fox business news that he thinks the bickering, the feuding can actually help in terms of getting things done. but we haven't really -- >> evidence of --
>> the evidence isn't quite there. >> there certainly are legitimate passed, but the big ticket items have fallen by the wayside. don, lisa, he had fought with them and they voted against them. this week, he needs to demonstrate to the bob corker and jeff flake's, hey look, i'm not going to be a mess for you. i'm not going to make your life harder. if he can demonstrate that, it'll be a more successful week. >> well with we'll all be watching. phillip, patrick, thank you, appreciate it. and coming up, russian trolls infiltrating america and hitting sensitive nerves on race to stoke racial divides. how they were targeted without even knowing about it. where are we? about to see progressive's new home quote explorer. where you can compare multiple quote options online and choose what's right for you. woah. flo and jamie here to see hqx. flo and jamie request entry. slovakia. triceratops.
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an african american american advocacy group and hired black americans to further their cause. cnn senior investigative correspondent drew griffin reports, drew. >> reporter: cnn learned a group associated with russia tricked personal trainers, boxing instructors, and paid them to hold free self-defense classes, the classes aimed at african american activists. in january of this year, well after the presidential election, new york marshal arts instructor says he was contacted bay group called black fist saying it would pay him to hold free self-defense classes for members of the black community. >> a lot of times i thought it was weird. >> reporter: weird, but the money was good. $320 a month paid by paypal to teach four classes and black fist would promote it.
what was also weird, no one from black fist ever showed up to meet him. his only communication was in text and far away sounding phone calls from this man named taylor. >> yes, hello, this is taylor, i wanted to confirm the self-defense lesson wes talked about last time. >> reporter: suggests that contact on the phone was part of a russian propaganda arm seeking to stoke official tensions and disrupt the u.s. political system. cnn has confirmed the social media accounts connected to black fist are among the pages facebook identified as coming from russians according to a source federal with the map. links appear on the black fist website and black fist which portrayed itself as an activist group seeking to empower black americans was likely developed inside the russian troll factory in st. petersburg, russia. >> they convinced you. >> very easily.
very easily. some of the things are stretchy. at the end of the day. training people. >> look at what black fist said about it's self-defense classes, they are by black, for black. let them gnome that black power matters. the contact also wanted these videos and photos of black's learning self-defense. wasn't the only one, personal trainers and classes promoted in other cities, los angeles, lansing, michigan, according to event bright and other pages where classes were being publicized, there were dozens in tampa, florida, jefferson says black fist found him through instagram, offered to pay him $100 a class through paypal. he confirmed it was the same voice on the other end of the phone call. the same demand for videos to prove classes took place and though the entire set-up sounded
odd, he's having a hard time understanding why russians were behind it. >> so i mean, when you have somebody that's going to pay you to do something you love, i mean, it's hard to see it like a negative thing. it's hard to see it in that light, but i mean, like i said, it was weird, it was different. >> reporter: the russian magazine rbc first identified black fist as well as dozens of other facebook, twitter, and instagram accounts designed to look and act like real americans. they say we're all part of the russian internet research agency and had a reach of 70 million people weekly. pam will louisiana, what is alarming is how easy this was for the russians to do. how u.s. social media companies had no filters that blocked or stopped or caught any of this. and i think the big question, where was, and is all of the u.s. intelligence agency in all of this?
we now know the meddling in u.s. politics by russia continued after november's election. there is no reason to believe it's still not happening right now. pamela. >> fascinating, fascinating report. our thanks to drew griffin. i'm not going to bring in and ran the agencies operations in russia. he is also a cnn security analysts, steve, just to want get your reaction, the russians using social media to try make racial tensions worse, does this fit in with your experience dealing with russia. the lengths they would go to here. having the self-defense classes. >> sure, absolutely. it's consistent with the overall, you know, goal of putin and the russian government is right now with regard to the united states dhoz drive wedges, not only inside the united states on social issues on the hot button issues, but also across the west. remember back to the -- i guess the good old days when this
started with the hack of a political server here in the united states by the russians -- >> little did we know, right? >> and now look where we are. we've this escalation where it's gone through information and influence operations, standard propaganda options, and now we're all the way to russians reaching out to individuals in this country. looking in this case along racial lines, but it could just as well have been along immigration lines. it could have been along lines in an attempt to manipulate these people to do things which could eventually lead up in violence. and it's not african american we're talking about here. you know, the charlottesville arches, there's allegations that the russians saw on the white supremacy side. they've been active too, at what point do we say look, this is effectively an act of war. and we need to decide what we're going to do because this is to go unanswered. we have to do something in response. >> you mentioned charlottesville, it seems clear that this behavior by the
russians is ongoing. they haven't been deterred. >> no, not at all. and i think they are going to continue to do this because again, this is the russian way of thinking. russian way of thinking is we're going to go ahead and push as far as we can until such time as somebody pushes back, and that's why it's so important for us to draw that line in the sand and to make the russians understand that it's simply not acceptable else it's going to continue. now the other thing -- go ahead. >> oh, no, i was just going to ask you, you know, looking at some of those cnn reporting we had about the intel investigation, interviewing the russians who were in that meeting, and trump tower with don jr., paul manafort, jared kushner. is there any reason why should anyone expect those russians who attended that meeting to tell the truth? how much stock should we put in them? >> there is absolutely in my view no reason whatsoever to believe that those russians would have told the truth. look, these are russian citizens, now they are on american soil as i understand it, but, you know, even if you ask them to put up their right
hands and pledge to tell the truth. what they're going to really have to do is do what they've been told to do by their masters and handlingers. they will be out of united states quickly and beyond the reach of u.s. law. it's not to say that what they say isn't of use and isn't interesting to see what their spin and view on is on it. i don't think we should confuse that. whether or not any russian handlers and were present because if this is an intelligence operation. i would be very nervous about putting folks like that in front of bob mueller or the oversights groups. that would make me nervous. >> i want to just get your take quickly on cnn's exclusive reporting that the man they call vladimir putin's chef was behind the russian troll factory. he -- look at this, he served caviar to president bush in 2002. to look at this the picture,
think, this is the chef of putin who is behind the russian troll farm. what do you know about him? any thoughts? >> well they come in different shapes and sizes in russia. you know, you can be a railroad guy, you can be an oil guy, you can be a restaurant guy. really all you have to do is this gives poout an great deal of deniability. he can say look, this is not a russian intelligence officer, this is not a russian government official. this is a patriotic russian who was concerned about whatever it is. and he understands that there are people in the west who will be confused by that and perhaps ian say well, you know, maybe he's right. and that's exactly the earmark of a good active measure's operation on the part of russian intelligence. >> just fascinating to hear you
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these scenes unthinkable just weeks ago. dancing hand in hand with music's the syrian forces that celebrated what they call a brutal defeat. our cnn international correspondent nick peyton walsh has been reporting from raqqa and brings us a rare look inside a former isis prison. >> reporter: isis usually leaves places looking like this in their self-declared capital was not different. with one exception. where are the people? hard lay soul here. while the victors swarming around isis's old hq, the stadium. extraordinary to stand exactly where isis just a matter of weeks or months ago the stadium, one of the symbols of their presence here.
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finding anymore. >> reporter: you enjoyed it? >> yeah. like, yeah. >> reporter: john is on his way back to sleepy colorado. how close did you get? >> you could see them running in the street. >> reporter: just a few? >> better than sitting in a desert. doing nothing. drinking chi. >> reporter: will life for him be the same again? >> i'm 34. i was doing customer sport six years ago. i don't know what i'm going to do. >> reporter: probably not that. >> probably not that. >> reporter: life can return here where the only building is a hospital where isis held human shields. this is the only isis fighter we saw, the bodies cleaned up fast. in the dust of this refugee camp where many have fleld my are these new sparkling tents. home to 200 isis fighters and their families who surrendered after a negotiated deal. we weren't allowed to talk to
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pea toe was invited to his home back in 2011 under the pretense of screening a film. she alleges that weinstein then pressured her to go into his bedroom, where he asked her to give her a massage. and then tried to take his pants off. she turned down another advance not long after the massage incident and when she asked if they were good, weinstein allegedly said quote, i don't know about your career, but you'll be fine. and she's speaking out now to end the conspiracy of silence. writing, we may have endured powerlessness at the hands of harvey wooirnz by speaking up, speaking out, and speaking together, we've regained that power. and we hopefully ensure that this kind of predatory behavior as an accepted feature of this industry dies here and now. weinstein has unequivocally denied all allegations nonconsensual sex. joining me now, brian stelter. there are so many similarities between her accounts and the
dozens of other women who have come forward alleging similar things. and now there are investigations and more than just los angeles, right? >> that's right. new york, london, and los angeles. police departments in all three cities are speaking with accusers of harvey weinstein. trying to find out if it's public to bring a case against him. it may be difficult, or maybe relatively easy. it gends on whether a place can corroborate these case faens they fall within the statute of limitations. we know at least in some of these cases they could be able to property. in new york, for example, a rape allegation from 2004. los angeles, 2013. relatively recent allegations against weinstein. >> and whenever something like this happens, you have all these people coming out sharing their stories. it raises the question, who else knew about this and when? and harvey weinstein's company has actually written an open letter denying that they ever knew about this behavior that they were in some place come police isn't a in the behavior.
we all knew we were working for a man with an infamous temper. we did not know we were working for a serial sexual predator, we did not know that he used his power to systematically assault and silence women. what more can you tell us. >> the company is in limbo right now, it's about to be sold, but the staff is in the dark. and that's why the 30 staffers wanted to write this letter and say, hey, you think we knew, we didn't know. we knew that he could be a creep, we knew that he was cheating on his wife but not a serial predator. they're trying to break from the idea that everybody in hollywood knew. the truth is, people in hollywood had different levels of knowledge. if you were his assistant, you might have known one thing. if you were quinnton tarantino, you might have known a different thing. >> or maybe a suspicion to actually seeing something going wrong. you mentioned quinn ton the director, he gave a very candid interview where he says he wishes that he had done more.
he said, i knew enough to do more than i did, there was more to it than just the normal rumors and gossip. it wasn't secondhand, i knew he did a couple of these things. what has been the reaction to that? >> it's a better late than never situation. you know, good on tarantino for sharing this finally in an interview with the "new york times," but he's admitting he knew about behavior decades ago and didn't speak up. there are a lot of people like tarantino that have some measure of regret, tarantino more than others because he was closely affiliated with weinstein. their career is kind of grew together in hollywood. but there are others and executives and agents and stars. other levels of regret as well about why they didn't question more or look more deeply or focus more on this behavior. there are lots of women who had isolated stories, and sometimes the dots weren't connected on the time. >> you really are seeing this movement and what are calling the weinstein effect. tell us about that. >> well, if you look at just the
passed week, a top executive at amazon forced out. executive here in new york forced out. we've seen a number of resignations and firings and other revolutions and newspaper articles about men in hollywood and other industries that alleged to be engaged in harassment. not once or twice, but pattern or behavior of the weinstein scandal. we know that weinstein's off in arizona apparently in some rehab. i'm told that he's going to be intriguing for another month. but, weinstein sort of doesn't matter anymore. the bigger picture here is what happens all across hollywood and other industries whether it's the fashion industry or in olympics. there's been open letters in sacramento for example, the california state house, lobbyists and others in sacramento saying, we need change here. there is a culture of sexual harassment. we've seen that in the animation industry. >> uh-huh. >> all of these examples of the weinstein effect. >> it's all sort of coming
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president trump just doesn't seem to want to let it the go. he tweeted ghen morning about a congresswoman in florida calling her whacky and a disaster after she claimed he was insensitive in a call to a gold star widow. but it's hardly the first time trump's words have gotten him into a little bit of trouble during a time of tragedy. cnn tom foreman explains. >> reporter: hurricane harvey slams texas, the president spins to the relief effort. >> it's been a wonderful thing. as tough as this was, it's been a wonderful thing. >> reporter: maria's dark cloud hit puerto rico and he embraces the silver lining. >> if you look at a real catastrophe, and you look at the
tremendous hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that died, and you look at what happened here with really a storm that was just totally overpowering, nobody's ever seen anything like this, what is your death count as of this moment, 17 -- 16? >> reporter: even when a gunman slaughters dozens in nevada, he looks beyond the sands. >> and what happened in las vegas is in many ways a miracle, the police department has done such an incredible job. >> reporter: for his political opponents, president trump often runs long on political posturing and short on empathy, especially when it comes to the military. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. >> reporter: during the campaign, he trashed senator john mccain, a long-time prisoner of war in vietnam. >> is the war busy. i like people that weren't cap which you wered, okay. >> reporter: he never served,
let alone got wounded. >> i always wanted to get the purple heart. this was much easier. >> you have sacrificed nothing and no one. >> reporter: and of course there was his titanic confrontations with the father of an american officer killed in combat who spoke at the democratic convention. >> who wrote that? did hillary's script-writers write that. >> how would you >> who wrote that? did hillary's team write that? >> what sacrifice have you made? >> i've made a lot of sacrifices. i've worked very, very hard. i've created thousands and thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and it continues. in so many moments that would appear to demand sensitivity, the president unapologetically focuses on optimism and strength. >> i was having fun. they were having fun. they said, throw them to me, throw them to me, mr. president. >> reporter: tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> our thanks to tom foreman. coming up on this sunday,
pierogis in pittsburgh. anthony bourdain dives into a dining scene that's booming. but is it good for everybody. a preview of tonight's brand-new "parts unknown" up next. how'd that go? he kept spelling my name with an 'i' but it's bryan with a 'y.' yeah, since birth. that drives me crazy. yes. it's on all your email. yes. they should know this? yeah. the guy was my brother-in-law. that's ridiculous. well, i happen to know some people. do they listen? what? they're amazing listeners. nice. guidance from professionals who take their time to get to know you.
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well, on tonight's brand-new "parts unknown," anthony bourdain delves into a dining scene at a crossroads. think one part working class food and one part foodie boomtown. here's a preview. >> oh, man! i'm very happy about this! sausage and peppers, one of my favorite things. botcha, the ancient game of kings. throw the little ball, try to get the other balls close.
closer than the other guys. >> uncle jay, this is anthony bourdain. 103 years old. >> looking good. >> he goes up and down his botcha course faster than anybody else. >> delicious if this is a weakness of mine. they have these street fairs in new york where they do sausage and pepper stands. i cannot walk past one of those things without getting them. so how long have you lived in this community? >> 78 years. >> so, your whole life? now, do the first wave of italians who came here from italy, why'd you come here? they came here for steel jobs, coal? >> actually, trade. i think they come here more for the trade. >> yeah? >> yeah, plumbers, bricklayers, any kind of trade like that. >> some italian said they were told to come over here and they were going to find the roads paved with gold. they said -- they didn't tell us that we had to build them first.
>> and cnn's ana cabrera recently sat down with bourdain to talk about the changing face of pittsburgh. >> it's something we see in a lot of industrial company towns, these, you know, sort of the dream cities that were built with boundless optimism and hard work. and it's a city that still prides itself on its -- you know, sort of a romantic view of its past, working steel mills and physical labor. when really, that manufacturing base has largely disappeared. and they have gone through a very, very difficult time where the population shrank considerably. and like some of the other cities, like detroit, like seattle, to some degree, you know, new entrepreneurs are coming in, in the tech sector, the arts, and the service industry.
and of course, that causes the old-timers to get cranky. the nature of the city is changing. who are all of these hipsters? who are all of these people coming in? >> it's hard to let go of the past? >> expensive coffee bars. who gets to live in -- property values are cheap now. it's a very livable and affordable city, a beautiful one. but of course, as new people are lured to the city, the property values will go up, rents will go up. and it will become increasingly difficult for those who stuck it out through all the bad times to continue to live there in some cases. so, again, a trade-off and again part of that transition we're seeing so many beautiful places that, you know, where the company left town. a transition from manufacturing to the service industry. >> how do you see the food scene playing a role in the revitalization? >> there are often, you know, sort of the hip restaurant, the hip farm-to-table restaurant is often the tipping point. it's the game changer for a neighborhood. and that brings with it, you
know, one successful sort of trendy but delicious restaurant that gets a lot of national attention is starting to happen in pittsburgh, about ten years ago. you know, that inspires other people to open similar businesses and soon you have a neighborho revitalized, albeit more expensive neighborhood that may be very different than the one before, but it brings in new people, attracts talent, attracts money. and causes change. >> do these chefs, these owners of some of these restaurants or facilities feel like they have a responsibility to the wider community? >> i think many chefs, most chefs, perhaps understand the impact, both good and bad, that they are having on their neighborhood and are doing their best to be a positive force within their neighborhood or not an outside entity. but i think, you know, you've got to be realistic about who's
going to be -- who's probably going to be eating in your restaurant, your $29.95 order of scallops and who won't be. >> and traditional food is more on the italian or the polish side. do you find that that, too, is evolving in terms of the types of food that are influencing these communities? >> you can still get, you know, beer and pierogi, just like the old days, and a lot of that eastern european, southern italian, for sure, that's still available. but now you have sort of hipster homages to that cuisine, as well. >> and when i think of hipster, i'm thinking like farm-to-table, and some of that stuff. >> yeah, lighter, prettier-looking versions of traditional polish food, for instance, you see here and there, rather than the -- you know, a pierogi that's hanging over the side of your plate, maybe a cute little one with a little bit of foam on top. >> and what fun is that? >> there is something to be said for it, sure. >> sounds delicious,